during co visit, i took him for a bible study i was conducting.
during the session, the householder said he believed satan was not a person, but personification of evil within us.
i left co to handle householder’s doubt.
Stuckinarut2,
it's not hard. We had two uneducated goon elders at the end of our lane look at my husband and say the very same thing: YOUR DISFELLOWSHIPPED! They yelled at him so loud that I could hear it from the house. They are showing how desperate they are.
i was contacted by my ex sister-in-law yesterday.
she asked me if i wanted to spend some time with my niece, while she went to her sister's baby shower.
it turns out my niece can't go because she's about to be disfellowshipped at the ripe old age of 14. .
in our congregation, the elders rarely comment.
the majority rarely comment, 2 sisters, vehemently, and often comment.
since in their case, it can not possibly be" teaching in the congregation", is participation in the wt "study"in general an affirmation of faith?
this is the jerusalem council of faithful jewish christians addressing what obstacles gentile converts must hurdle to be accepted by them.
(note: this statement is a paraphrase of a much earlier law of the sons of noah.).
acts 15: "it is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the gentiles who are turning to god" (v. 19).
Excellent Terry! It's writings like this that will make a jw think and look into it further then to criticize or try to convert them to another kind of belief. This site use to be good that way with different ones using only the scriptures. This one made me think once again.
Thanks!
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As far as the co's wife went, they never built up anyone. The cos and their wives always worked with the elders and their wives only. Never the publishers. Never! The elders wives would butt kiss them non-stop on top of having their meals prepared for them. And never ever ever did the co's wives sit in on the pioneer meetings. They always stayed in their apartments attached to the back of the kingdom halls. And never did the co come and visit us when we stopped going to our meetings.
However, the one year we gave a decent donation and the po wanted to make hubby an elder. So the next co visit, they had hubby doing a couple of the ministry school parts. That was the same night hubby walked off the stage right after his part and handed his key for the hall over to him and told him he didn't want it anymore nor to do the literature counter anymore. Hubby also had a crack at balancing the accounts since the elder told him he didn't want to do it. Hubby at that time was only in the troof for one year. This is such a joke!
i know this has been discussed before, but i think some of these wacky (but thought-provoking) comments deserve their own thread.. paragraph 6 says: modestly, anointed ones acknowledge that they do not necessarily have more holy spirit than those with an earthly hope.
they do not claim to have special knowledge or revelations; neither do they try to prove that they are in some way superior.
somebody needs to send this memo to the gb.
Vidiot,
I've asked him the same question. He was born in to the old order mennonite religion. got kicked out for disagreeing. He was then studied with by the jw's for over thirty years off and on. Finally when his mennonite community excommunicated him, he started coming to the jws. He says that him and his wife are eighty years old and he can't see himself picking up and moving again. He welcomes the elders to kick him out but he knows they won't. Eighty percent of the territory there is all mennonite and all intermarried or related. He says the elders need him more than he needs them.
When he became a jw, the elders had parts after parts at the assemblies but they would never have this old guy up on the platform in fear he might say something like he still believes in the cross and that you have to die first in order to be reborn. He says he put the elders on the map and made them famous at these conventions. Him and his wife are allowed to only work with the elders and their wives and now I know why. They want to keep this quiet since this guy has never kept it secret on what he really thinks about his belief. No one in the congregation can understand how these two got away with getting baptized.
The cobe of the congregation has actually taken him aside and told him that he knows what this guy has been up to. (keeping in contact with us) and that he's well aware of it, that nothing is a secret and to better watch himself. They took all his reading parts away from him and they don't pick him for comments. There's a sister from out west who knows it's me writing this and she has a big mouth. She has read all of Franz's books, reads all the apostate sites and yet stays in the org because her husband is an elder. It would be her that has told the elders about this poor old guy and us.
I do have to laugh when we talk to him. He partook again this year even though he refuses to use the org's bible. He will only use his King James. He will write out a letter to all his return visits stating why this org's doctrines are all wrong. And he does this right under the elders noses at the doors. He's been hauled in to the second school twice about not partaking by two twenty-five year old elders. He says if they ever kick him out, he will try his other son's religion. He has nine kids. He says he's just waiting for them to do it!
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i know this has been discussed before, but i think some of these wacky (but thought-provoking) comments deserve their own thread.. paragraph 6 says: modestly, anointed ones acknowledge that they do not necessarily have more holy spirit than those with an earthly hope.
they do not claim to have special knowledge or revelations; neither do they try to prove that they are in some way superior.
somebody needs to send this memo to the gb.
So why doe the bethel print out a brochure just for their beloved bethel family when one of the anointed passes away like John Barr and others? We saw the one on John Barr "who's earthly course had finally ended". Then, the older bethelite tells us he's up in heaven now receiving his heavenly reward. We were told the org publishes a brochure when one of their mentally imbalanced anointed ones pass away. They don't do it for all bethelite members yet their all suppose to be equal. They speak outside of both their mouths at the same time.
It would only make sense to me that since it was Jesus father who picked him to be the Anointed One, and all authority has been given to Jesus in heaven and on earth, that it would be Jesus himself that would pick the 144,000. And who's to say that won't happen until he sets up his kingdom on earth. Ruling over the earth can also mean the ruling here on earth over the entire earth and not from heaven.
In our old hall, they have an anointed member who refuses to use their silver sword and uses his King James bible only. He says the org's bible is a joke. He believes you have to be born again/die in order to inherit the kingdom and still believes that Jesus died on the cross. When ever he goes out in service he makes sure he writes a letter letting the householder know all what's wrong with the religion's doctrines. Yeah, he's definitely anointed.
The only reason why the elders keep him working only with them is because his past religion is eighty percent of their territory and he's eighty years old. If he got df'd, the whole community/town would make quite a noise and bethel would want to know why the elders weren't on top doing something about this guy. It's a joke. This man had shown up on my doorstep the one night with a book on jw's. It was written by Russell Reed and so we traded books. He's read both of Ray Franz's books twice. Yep! For sure he's one of the org's annointed.
First they say they are the faithful and discreet. Then they say all authority has been given to them in heaven and on earth(which Jesus stated for himself) Now they say the publishers are to minister to the holy ones which are them.(recent news at the Canadian zone visit), The bible states that we are to minister to Jesus.
WAKE UP lurkers! JW.Org wants you to be loyal to them only. Start reading your bibles on your own.
canada's getting a zone visit in march 2016, but no mention of who's doing the visit.
praying it's anthony morris and we get our own tight pants talk.
Just spoke to someone from our old hall and he said there was nothing interesting except when the brother went on about the publishers ministering to the holy ones. Guess who the holy ones are? The seven goons from Brooklyn. And how everyone is working as a united bunch. They also asked if they could give more whether out in service or $$$$ That's all we heard.
